Subject: Re: [16ng] Ttaking our note today ?

From: Alexandru Petrescu <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:41:42 -0800

Dear 장희진,

장희진 wrote:
> 수홍씨, 제가 적어둔 것 보내드립니다.  
> 
> 참고하세요.
> 
> 참, 그리고 발표자들 자료 가지고 계신 것 좀 부탁합니다. :)
> 
>  
> 
> 참석 인원 : BoF에 최소 100명은 넘게 많은 사람들이 참석
> 
> 진행 :
> 
> - chair의 인사 및 BoF 개최 배경 간략히 설명.
> 
> - 발표자들의 발표
> 
> - AD(마가렛)의 16ng에 대한 consus 조사
> 
> (KT 김유선씨 발표 후) 한국에서 쓰는 CS는? IP CS
> 
> (AD 마가렛의 consensus 조사)
> 
> 16ng가 WG이 되는데 찬성하는 사람 거수 - 다수 (5~60명 가량)
> 
> 이 WG이 형성되면 열심히 참여할 사람 거수 - 다수
> 
> IP CS/Eth CS 모두 다루나? - 그렇다.
> 
> IPv4는 16ng scope에 넣을 것인가 말것인가? 거수해서 14명 정도 나왔으나..
> 결론은 안난듯 싶습니다.
> 
> wimax 문서를 어떻게 참조하나? - (Alper) 현재 이 문서는 Wimax에서 논의가
> 되고 있으며, IETF에 open 하는 것에 대해서도 논의 중이다..
> 
> chater 가 다 잘되었나? - charter를 수정할 필요가 있다는 의견이 많음.
> 
> 현재 참석인원 중에 IEEE 802.16/wibro/wimax에서 일하는 사람 얼마나?
> 
> IEEE 802.16 - 0
> 
> wimax - 5~6
> 
> wibro - 다수

Curious to see the translation.

I took some jabber notes at:
http://www.xmpp.org/ietf-logs/[email-masked]/2005-11-08.html

To my understanding, "다수" means like 10-ish?

Alex

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From: Myung-Ki Shin <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:37:30 +0900

Hi, Alexandru,

Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
> 
> Dear ÀåÈñÁø,
> 
> ÀåÈñÁø wrote:
> > ¼öÈ«¾¾, Á¦°¡ Àû¾îµÐ °Í º¸³»µå¸³´Ï´Ù.
> >
> > Âü°íÇÏ¼¼¿ä.
> >
> > Âü, ±×¸®°í ¹ßÇ¥ÀÚµé ÀÚ·á °¡Áö°í °è½Å °Í Á» ºÎÅ¹ÇÕ´Ï´Ù. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Âü¼® ÀÎ¿ø : BoF¿¡ ÃÖ¼Ò 100¸íÀº ³Ñ°Ô ¸¹Àº »ç¶÷µéÀÌ Âü¼®
> >
> > ÁøÇà :
> >
> > - chairÀÇ ÀÎ»ç ¹× BoF °³ÃÖ ¹è°æ °£·«È÷ ¼³¸í.
> >
> > - ¹ßÇ¥ÀÚµéÀÇ ¹ßÇ¥
> >
> > - AD(¸¶°¡·¿)ÀÇ 16ng¿¡ ´ëÇÑ consus Á¶»ç
> >
> > (KT ±èÀ¯¼±¾¾ ¹ßÇ¥ ÈÄ) ÇÑ±¹¿¡¼ ¾²´Â CS´Â? IP CS
> >
> > (AD ¸¶°¡·¿ÀÇ consensus Á¶»ç)
> >
> > 16ng°¡ WGÀÌ µÇ´Âµ¥ Âù¼ºÇÏ´Â »ç¶÷ °Å¼ö - ´Ù¼ö (5~60¸í °¡·®)
> >
> > ÀÌ WGÀÌ Çü¼ºµÇ¸é ¿½ÉÈ÷ Âü¿©ÇÒ »ç¶÷ °Å¼ö - ´Ù¼ö
> >
> > IP CS/Eth CS ¸ðµÎ ´Ù·ç³ª? - ±×·¸´Ù.
> >
> > IPv4´Â 16ng scope¿¡ ³ÖÀ» °ÍÀÎ°¡ ¸»°ÍÀÎ°¡? °Å¼öÇØ¼ 14¸í Á¤µµ ³ª¿ÔÀ¸³ª..
> > °á·ÐÀº ¾È³µí ½Í½À´Ï´Ù.
> >
> > wimax ¹®¼¸¦ ¾î¶»°Ô ÂüÁ¶ÇÏ³ª? - (Alper) ÇöÀç ÀÌ ¹®¼´Â Wimax¿¡¼ ³íÀÇ°¡
> > µÇ°í ÀÖÀ¸¸ç, IETF¿¡ open ÇÏ´Â °Í¿¡ ´ëÇØ¼µµ ³íÀÇ ÁßÀÌ´Ù..
> >
> > chater °¡ ´Ù ÀßµÇ¾ú³ª? - charter¸¦ ¼öÁ¤ÇÒ ÇÊ¿ä°¡ ÀÖ´Ù´Â ÀÇ°ßÀÌ ¸¹À½.
> >
> > ÇöÀç Âü¼®ÀÎ¿ø Áß¿¡ IEEE 802.16/wibro/wimax¿¡¼ ÀÏÇÏ´Â »ç¶÷ ¾ó¸¶³ª?
> >
> > IEEE 802.16 - 0
> >
> > wimax - 5~6
> >
> > wibro - ´Ù¼ö
> 

I think the (Korean) note seems to be similar with the jabber notes
below.  
 
> To my understanding, "´Ù¼ö" means like 10-ish?

Yes, it is. 

Myung-Ki,

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>From [email-masked] Thu Nov 10 17:15:07 2005
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:59:55 -0800
From: Soohong Daniel Park <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [16ng] Slides for 16NG BOF meeting yesterday afternoon

Dear 16NGers.

We've uploaded all presentation:
https://onsite.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=64

Also, here is a jabber-scribe for those participating remotely.
http://www.xmpp.org/ietf-logs/[email-masked]/2005-11-08.html

(If someone has a minutes, please let me know it directly.)

Regards,

Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park)
Mobile Platform Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics.
>From [email-masked] Mon Nov 14 17:40:26 2005
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:25:13 -0800
From: Soohong Daniel Park <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [16ng] WG Charter discussion

16NGers.

We reviewed comments at the last BOF meeting and modified them accordingly. Our accessable link is

http://daniel.vsix.net/16ng/charter_rev01.doc

Please take a look and let us know your comments/feedbacks on that.

Regards,

Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park)
Mobile Platform Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics.
>From [email-masked] Fri Nov 18 01:45:19 2005
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:29:00 -0800
From: Soohong Daniel Park <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [16ng] WG Charter discussion
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>From [email-masked] Fri Nov 18 13:01:41 2005
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:13:35 +0530
From: Vinod Joseph <[email-masked]>
To: Soohong Daniel Park <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [16ng] WG Charter discussion
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>From [email-masked] Fri Nov 18 14:22:54 2005
From: Rina Nathaniel <[email-masked]>
To: "'Vinod Joseph '" <[email-masked]>,
   "'Soohong Daniel Park '"
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Subject: RE: [16ng] WG Charter discussion
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:02:56 +0200
cc: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>

Hi,
I got the messages encrypted. can anyone can help me to read it.
thanks
Rina

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Subject: Re: [16ng] WG Charter discussion

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>From [email-masked] Fri Nov 25 16:18:03 2005
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:28:33 +0530
From: Vinod Joseph <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [16ng] 
 How to differentiate MAC/RLC/RRM in 802.16e(or WiBro) for TDD/FDD operation

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>From [email-masked] Fri Dec  2 14:39:31 2005
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:48:36 +0530
From: Syam Madanapalli <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [16ng] New Draft on ND PS and Goals

Please let me know if you have any comments/questions
on this draft.

Thank you,
Syam

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:20 AM
Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-madanapalli-nd-over-802.16-problems-00.txt

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>
>
> Title : IPv6 Neighbor Discovery over 802.16: Problems and Goals
> Author(s) : S. Madanapalli
> Filename : draft-madanapalli-nd-over-802.16-problems-00.txt
> Pages : 14
> Date : 2005-12-1
>
>   This draft provides overview of 802.16 Network characteristics and
>   Convergence Sublayers, and specifies the problems in running the IPv6
>   Neighbor Discovery over 802.16 Networks.  This document also presents
>   the goals that point at relevant work to be done either at IETF or
>   some other standards body.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-madanapalli-nd-over-802.16-problems-00.txt
>