Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79
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To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:34:07 +0200
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Thanks, Martin,

this sounds good and my intention was to include also an overview of the documented 3GPP requirements in my presentation, so hopefully that can also prime the discussion on the following topic on the requirements. Of course that represents only one source of requirements to IETF/ATOCA, but it serves as an real-life example.

Which day is ATOCA session in the meeting week? I am working on my travel arrangements and was hoping to fly back on Friday, unless there is something critical (such as ATOCA) going on?

BR,
Hannu Hietalahti
3GPP TSG CT Chairman
tel: +358 40 5021724

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ext Thomson, Martin [mailto:[email-masked]] 
>Sent: 01 October, 2010 04:44
>To: [email-masked]; Hietalahti Hannu (Nokia-CIC/Oulu)
>Cc: Scott O. Bradner
>Subject: Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79
>
>Here's the current draft agenda for the Beijing meeting.
>
>Introduction
>  5 min - administrivia, agenda bashing - Chairs
>  15 min - status update - Chairs
>
>Overview of related work
>  15 min - ITU-T - Mark Wood
>  15 min - 3GPP - Hannu Hietalahti/3GPP expert
>
>Requirements discussion
>  30 min - draft-ietf-atoca-requirements - Hannes/Brian/Henning ?
>
>  10 min - spare
>
>At this stage, we'll probably dedicate the spare time to 
>requirements discussion.  If you have a better plan, let us know.
>
>ATOCA chairs,
>Scott & Martin
>
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	Author(s)       : H. Schulzrinne, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-atoca-requirements-00.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2010-09-23

Before, during and after emergency situations various agencies need
to provide information to a group of persons or to the public within
a geographical area.  While many aspects of such systems are specific
to national or local jurisdictions, emergencies span such boundaries
and notifications need to reach visitors from other jurisdictions.

This document provides terminology, requirements and an architectural
description for protocols exchanging alerts between IP-based end
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From: "Thomson, Martin" <[email-masked]>
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To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:15:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Scott O. Bradner)
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

> I think it is essential to see a liaison established early.

for general info - formal liaisons are the responsibility of the IAB

if the group thinks that establishing a formal liaison to one or another
other organization is a good idea we will have to develop a justification
and a contact and send it to the IAB

Scott

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:48:51 -0700
From: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Brian Rosen" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I respectively disagree Brian.

I believe if ATOCA desires to have applicability in wireless networks
using the layer 2 cell broadcast, then involvement through liaison of
ATIS WTSC - where the authority o citizen cell broadcast based standards
work has been ongoing for the U.S. - is essential in the requirements,
architecture and protocol development phases. Without cooperation and
fully understanding the implications of the layer 2, I cannot see how
there can even be consideration for ATOCA over such wireless networks.

As a member of this group, I think it is essential to see a liaison
established early. Although I do not see ATOCA displacing CMAS,
understanding and working together in collaboration is important.

Regards,
Brian K. Daly
AT&T Mobility Services, LLC
+1.425.580.6873
[email-masked]

Rethink Possible

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Rosen [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:58 AM
To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked];
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

We have long talked about wishing to be able to take advantage of any
available L2 mechanisms.  We can't be dependent on them, but we should
be aware of what mechanisms might be available, and design our protocols
so that they can be used when available.  This would include multicast,
and I think would include cell broadcast.

I certainly agree that there is no relationship between ATOCA and PWS or
CMAS, but cell broadcast is not exclusive to PWS/CMAS.  

I don't think we need any liaisons at this time.  I think we need to
learn how cell broadcast works.  I don't care who we learn it from.

Brian
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:33 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:

> I believe you need to establish a liaison with ATIS and 3GPP then as
that would require standards support from lower layers. 
> Brian K. Daly
>   Sent to you by AT&T... 
>   America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>       Network.  Rethink Possible.
>   +1.425.580.6873
> -------
> Sent from my Blackberry
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard L. Barnes <[email-masked]>
> To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
> Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>;
[email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
<[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tue Sep 14 20:27:34 2010
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I disagree.  I think Brian had it right that it would be good if the  
> ATOCA system could benefit from other lower-layer or domain-specific  
> systems.
> --Richard
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:42 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:
> 
>> Agree. ATOCA is not cell broadcast based alerting. That work is done

>> in 3GPP and ATIS. There is no relationship to the ATOCA work and PWS.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>> Sent: Sep 14, 2010 7:30 AM
>> 
>> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G  
>> discussions to the meetings.
>> 
>> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell  
>> broadcast systems of warning.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email-masked]
>>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Thomson, Martin
>>> Cc: [email-masked]
>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi People;
>>> 
>>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on
>>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>>> 
>>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take
>>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting
>>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the
>>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the
>>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
>>> deliberations or not.
>>> 
>>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations,
>>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a
>>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find
>>> interesting.
>>> 
>>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I
>>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or
>>> observations that you may have.
>>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on
>>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would
>>> accommodate public warnings,
>> 
>> ------Original Message Truncated------
>> 
>> Brian K. Daly
>>  Sent to you by AT&T...
>>  America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>>      Network.  Rethink Possible.
>>  +1.425.580.6873
>> -------
>> Sent from my Blackberry
>> _______________________________________________
>> earlywarning mailing list
>> [email-masked]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:39:41 +0100
From: "Mark Wood" <[email-masked]>
To: "Brian Rosen" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "DALY, BRIAN K \(ATTCINW\)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Friends;
Mark Wood, DRCF.

I will not be participaing in the IETF with my ITU 'hat' on, rather as Pro
Bono advisor to the Disaster Relief Communications Foundation, (DRCF). The
ITU are not attempting in any way to infuence the final outcome of the
IETF deliberations on the matter of Authority to Citizen communications.

The ITU-T SG2 [Naming and Numbering]  work is focused solely on the matter
of "Multicast Address Harmonisation for Civiv Purposes", at the request of
its member states, and does not seek to change any of the standards that
the 3GPP maintains.

IP technologies are fundamentaly different to those used in 2G, 3G and 4G
mobile networks, many of the challenges and solutions do not directly
translate to IP, so detailed comparison of the access layer bearers is not
my intention.

But I am aware of their detail down to bit level, so I can contribute some
of my knowlege and experience of that if anyone asks me to, or you can ask
a 3GPP expert to explain it to you.

However during my 12 years of experience with public warning, and
especialy with my experience as convener of the ITU liason on the matter,
I have learned that the whole subject has many Techncal, Regulatory,
Political, Social, Commercial and Diplomatic overtones, which we at ITU
had to understand over the course of many years.

If you would like me to talk about some of them, as a matter of informaton
for your kind consideration, then I would be gladly willing to share with
you some of the lessons that we have leared so far. Doing so may stimulate
your own discussion and save years of time in understanding which factors
may or may not have any baring on your own deliberations.

Understanding some of the  issues handled by others may help you avoid
repeting mistakes, or not, at your discretion.

However I repeat; the ITU are not seeking to infuence the IETF in areas of
IETF's obvious competence.

Warm regards,  Mark Wood DRCF

On Wed, September 15, 2010 1:58 pm, Brian Rosen wrote:
> We have long talked about wishing to be able to take advantage of any
> available L2 mechanisms.  We can't be dependent on them, but we should be
> aware of what mechanisms might be available, and design our protocols so
> that they can be used when available.  This would include multicast, and I
> think would include cell broadcast.
>
> I certainly agree that there is no relationship between ATOCA and PWS or
> CMAS, but cell broadcast is not exclusive to PWS/CMAS.
>
> I don't think we need any liaisons at this time.  I think we need to learn
> how cell broadcast works.  I don't care who we learn it from.
>
> Brian
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:33 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:
>
>> I believe you need to establish a liaison with ATIS and 3GPP then as
>> that would require standards support from lower layers.
>> Brian K. Daly
>>   Sent to you by AT&T...
>>   America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>>       Network.  Rethink Possible.
>>   +1.425.580.6873
>> -------
>> Sent from my Blackberry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Richard L. Barnes <[email-masked]>
>> To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
>> Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>;
>> [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
>> <[email-masked]>
>> Sent: Tue Sep 14 20:27:34 2010
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>
>> I disagree.  I think Brian had it right that it would be good if the
>> ATOCA system could benefit from other lower-layer or domain-specific
>> systems.
>> --Richard
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:42 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:
>>
>>> Agree. ATOCA is not cell broadcast based alerting. That work is done
>>> in 3GPP and ATIS. There is no relationship to the ATOCA work and PWS.
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>>> To: [email-masked]
>>> Cc: [email-masked]
>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>> Sent: Sep 14, 2010 7:30 AM
>>>
>>> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G
>>> discussions to the meetings.
>>>
>>> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell
>>> broadcast systems of warning.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email-masked]
>>>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>>>> To: Thomson, Martin
>>>> Cc: [email-masked]
>>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi People;
>>>>
>>>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on
>>>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>>>>
>>>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take
>>>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting
>>>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the
>>>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the
>>>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
>>>> deliberations or not.
>>>>
>>>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations,
>>>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a
>>>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I
>>>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or
>>>> observations that you may have.
>>>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on
>>>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would
>>>> accommodate public warnings,
>>>
>>> ------Original Message Truncated------
>>>
>>> Brian K. Daly
>>>  Sent to you by AT&T...
>>>  America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>>>      Network.  Rethink Possible.
>>>  +1.425.580.6873
>>> -------
>>> Sent from my Blackberry
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> earlywarning mailing list
>>> [email-masked]
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> earlywarning mailing list
>> [email-masked]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>

-- 
Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
+44 7 818 400 124

From: Brian Rosen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:58:17 -0400
To: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

We have long talked about wishing to be able to take advantage of any available L2 mechanisms.  We can't be dependent on them, but we should be aware of what mechanisms might be available, and design our protocols so that they can be used when available.  This would include multicast, and I think would include cell broadcast.

I certainly agree that there is no relationship between ATOCA and PWS or CMAS, but cell broadcast is not exclusive to PWS/CMAS.  

I don't think we need any liaisons at this time.  I think we need to learn how cell broadcast works.  I don't care who we learn it from.

Brian
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:33 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:

> I believe you need to establish a liaison with ATIS and 3GPP then as that would require standards support from lower layers. 
> Brian K. Daly
>   Sent to you by AT&T... 
>   America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>       Network.  Rethink Possible.
>   +1.425.580.6873
> -------
> Sent from my Blackberry
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard L. Barnes <[email-masked]>
> To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
> Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tue Sep 14 20:27:34 2010
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I disagree.  I think Brian had it right that it would be good if the  
> ATOCA system could benefit from other lower-layer or domain-specific  
> systems.
> --Richard
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:42 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:
> 
>> Agree. ATOCA is not cell broadcast based alerting. That work is done  
>> in 3GPP and ATIS. There is no relationship to the ATOCA work and PWS.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>> Sent: Sep 14, 2010 7:30 AM
>> 
>> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G  
>> discussions to the meetings.
>> 
>> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell  
>> broadcast systems of warning.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email-masked]
>>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Thomson, Martin
>>> Cc: [email-masked]
>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi People;
>>> 
>>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on
>>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>>> 
>>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take
>>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting
>>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the
>>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the
>>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
>>> deliberations or not.
>>> 
>>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations,
>>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a
>>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find
>>> interesting.
>>> 
>>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I
>>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or
>>> observations that you may have.
>>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on
>>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would
>>> accommodate public warnings,
>> 
>> ------Original Message Truncated------
>> 
>> Brian K. Daly
>>  Sent to you by AT&T...
>>  America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>>      Network.  Rethink Possible.
>>  +1.425.580.6873
>> -------
>> Sent from my Blackberry
>> _______________________________________________
>> earlywarning mailing list
>> [email-masked]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:33:05 -0700
From: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

From: "Richard L. Barnes" <[email-masked]>
To: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:27:34 -0400
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I disagree.  I think Brian had it right that it would be good if the  
ATOCA system could benefit from other lower-layer or domain-specific  
systems.
--Richard

On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:42 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:

> Agree. ATOCA is not cell broadcast based alerting. That work is done  
> in 3GPP and ATIS. There is no relationship to the ATOCA work and PWS.
> ------Original Message------
> From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> Sent: Sep 14, 2010 7:30 AM
>
> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G  
> discussions to the meetings.
>
> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell  
> broadcast systems of warning.
>
> Keith
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked]
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Thomson, Martin
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>
>>
>> Hi People;
>>
>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on
>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>>
>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take
>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting
>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the
>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the
>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
>> deliberations or not.
>>
>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations,
>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a
>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find
>> interesting.
>>
>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I
>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or
>> observations that you may have.
>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on
>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would
>> accommodate public warnings,
>
> ------Original Message Truncated------
>
> Brian K. Daly
>   Sent to you by AT&T...
>   America's Fastest Mobile Broadband
>       Network.  Rethink Possible.
>   +1.425.580.6873
> -------
> Sent from my Blackberry
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

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To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

From: "Thomson, Martin" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:51:08 +0800
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:25:37 -0700
From: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[email-masked]>, "Brian Rosen" <[email-masked]>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I should point out that the ITU effort is really not where the work is
done for the cell broadcast standards supporting the public warning
system (ETWS and CMAS). That work is done in 3GPP and specifically ATIS.
The ITU effort is focused on harmonization of alert message identifiers
used by cell broadcast; however those message identifiers are
standardized in 3GPP CT.

Also, we do not see ATOCA being applicable to CMAS/PWS.

If any liaison needs to be set up, it should be it ATIS and 3GPP.

Regards,
Brian K. Daly
AT&T Mobility Services, LLC
+1.425.580.6873
[email-masked]

Rethink Possible

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 AM
To: Brian Rosen; DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

+ 1

Dan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:45 PM
> To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I think it would be interesting to learn more about how it works.
> 
> I think we would like our work to be able to take advantage 
> of any layer 2 mechanisms available that increase the rate at 
> which notifications can be delivered to intended recipients.  
> Understanding how this particular layer 2 mechanism works may 
> be helpful in making sure our higher level protocol work 
> might use it if the operators cared to.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> 
> > Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before 
> introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.
> > 
> > It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for 
> cell broadcast systems of warning.
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email-masked]
> >> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
> >> To: Thomson, Martin
> >> Cc: [email-masked]
> >> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi People;
> >> 
> >> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
> "multicast 
> >> address space harmonization for civic purposes".
> >> 
> >> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take a few 
> >> minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting in 
> 2nd and 3rd 
> >> generation mobile networks and explain the ITU-T SG2 
> liaison, so that 
> >> we can discuss if any of the discoveries made there are of any 
> >> relevance to the ATOCA deliberations or not.
> >> 
> >> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF 
> deliberations, but the 
> >> process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a lot of 
> >> discoveries were made in that time which you may find interesting.
> >> 
> >> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so 
> I will be 
> >> in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
> observations that you 
> >> may have.
> >> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
> the matter 
> >> of 4G mobile networks and how they would accommodate 
> public warnings, 
> >> so your deliberations will be of great interest to the 
> delegates at 
> >> ITU. I will of course relay to you any outcomes that the November 
> >> meeting of ITU may produce.
> >> 
> >> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the ITU 
> >> process and visa versa.
> >> 
> >> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
> liaisons of 
> >> their own to ITU, which we may be able to reference for 
> informational 
> >> purposes.
> >> 
> >> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
> available 
> >> to gladly answer any questions.
> >> 
> >> Mark Wood DRCF.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
> >>> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
> >>> 
> >>> If you would like to request some time on the agenda,
> >> please let us know.
> >>> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
> >>> 
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-cap
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
> >>>  draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
> >>> 
> >>> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
> >>> 
> >>> The ATOCA chairs,
> >>> Scott and Martin
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> earlywarning mailing list
> >>> [email-masked]
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
> >> +44 7 818 400 124
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> earlywarning mailing list
> >> [email-masked]
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > earlywarning mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
_______________________________________________
earlywarning mailing list
[email-masked]
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:30:49 +0200
From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Brian Rosen" <[email-masked]>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

+ 1

Dan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:45 PM
> To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I think it would be interesting to learn more about how it works.
> 
> I think we would like our work to be able to take advantage 
> of any layer 2 mechanisms available that increase the rate at 
> which notifications can be delivered to intended recipients.  
> Understanding how this particular layer 2 mechanism works may 
> be helpful in making sure our higher level protocol work 
> might use it if the operators cared to.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> 
> > Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before 
> introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.
> > 
> > It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for 
> cell broadcast systems of warning.
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email-masked]
> >> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
> >> To: Thomson, Martin
> >> Cc: [email-masked]
> >> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi People;
> >> 
> >> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
> "multicast 
> >> address space harmonization for civic purposes".
> >> 
> >> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take a few 
> >> minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting in 
> 2nd and 3rd 
> >> generation mobile networks and explain the ITU-T SG2 
> liaison, so that 
> >> we can discuss if any of the discoveries made there are of any 
> >> relevance to the ATOCA deliberations or not.
> >> 
> >> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF 
> deliberations, but the 
> >> process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a lot of 
> >> discoveries were made in that time which you may find interesting.
> >> 
> >> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so 
> I will be 
> >> in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
> observations that you 
> >> may have.
> >> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
> the matter 
> >> of 4G mobile networks and how they would accommodate 
> public warnings, 
> >> so your deliberations will be of great interest to the 
> delegates at 
> >> ITU. I will of course relay to you any outcomes that the November 
> >> meeting of ITU may produce.
> >> 
> >> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the ITU 
> >> process and visa versa.
> >> 
> >> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
> liaisons of 
> >> their own to ITU, which we may be able to reference for 
> informational 
> >> purposes.
> >> 
> >> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
> available 
> >> to gladly answer any questions.
> >> 
> >> Mark Wood DRCF.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
> >>> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
> >>> 
> >>> If you would like to request some time on the agenda,
> >> please let us know.
> >>> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
> >>> 
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-cap
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
> >>>  draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
> >>> 
> >>> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
> >>> 
> >>> The ATOCA chairs,
> >>> Scott and Martin
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> earlywarning mailing list
> >>> [email-masked]
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
> >> +44 7 818 400 124
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> earlywarning mailing list
> >> [email-masked]
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > earlywarning mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 

From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
To: Brian Rosen <[email-masked]>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:50:41 +0200
Accept-Language: en-US
acceptlanguage: en-US
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

In that case you need to talk to the 3GPP and 3GPP2 people who were the designers of the systems (at least in standards terms).

In regard to 3GPP, I would suggest Kevin Holley of Telefonica ([email-masked]). The recent sad death of Ian Harris removes one otherwise key expert.

regards

Keith 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Rosen [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:45 PM
> To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I think it would be interesting to learn more about how it works.
> 
> I think we would like our work to be able to take advantage 
> of any layer 2 mechanisms available that increase the rate at 
> which notifications can be delivered to intended recipients.  
> Understanding how this particular layer 2 mechanism works may 
> be helpful in making sure our higher level protocol work 
> might use it if the operators cared to.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> 
> > Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before 
> introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.
> > 
> > It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for 
> cell broadcast systems of warning.
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email-masked]
> >> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
> >> To: Thomson, Martin
> >> Cc: [email-masked]
> >> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi People;
> >> 
> >> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
> "multicast 
> >> address space harmonization for civic purposes".
> >> 
> >> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take a few 
> >> minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting in 
> 2nd and 3rd 
> >> generation mobile networks and explain the ITU-T SG2 
> liaison, so that 
> >> we can discuss if any of the discoveries made there are of any 
> >> relevance to the ATOCA deliberations or not.
> >> 
> >> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF 
> deliberations, but the 
> >> process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a lot of 
> >> discoveries were made in that time which you may find interesting.
> >> 
> >> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so 
> I will be 
> >> in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
> observations that you 
> >> may have.
> >> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
> the matter 
> >> of 4G mobile networks and how they would accommodate 
> public warnings, 
> >> so your deliberations will be of great interest to the 
> delegates at 
> >> ITU. I will of course relay to you any outcomes that the November 
> >> meeting of ITU may produce.
> >> 
> >> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the ITU 
> >> process and visa versa.
> >> 
> >> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
> liaisons of 
> >> their own to ITU, which we may be able to reference for 
> informational 
> >> purposes.
> >> 
> >> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
> available 
> >> to gladly answer any questions.
> >> 
> >> Mark Wood DRCF.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
> >>> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
> >>> 
> >>> If you would like to request some time on the agenda,
> >> please let us know.
> >>> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
> >>> 
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-cap
> >>>  draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
> >>>  draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
> >>> 
> >>> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
> >>> 
> >>> The ATOCA chairs,
> >>> Scott and Martin
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> earlywarning mailing list
> >>> [email-masked]
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
> >> +44 7 818 400 124
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> earlywarning mailing list
> >> [email-masked]
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > earlywarning mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 
> 

To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:47:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Scott O. Bradner)
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I think I agree with Brian - some information on how existing systems work also will
also help us to understand carrier and regulatory expectations.

Scott

----
From: Brian Rosen <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:44:42 -0400
To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I think it would be interesting to learn more about how it works.

I think we would like our work to be able to take advantage of any layer 2 mechanisms available that increase the rate at which notifications can be delivered to intended recipients.  Understanding how this particular layer 2 mechanism works may be helpful in making sure our higher level protocol work might use it if the operators cared to.

Brian

On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:

> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.
> 
> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell broadcast systems of warning.
> 
> Keith 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked] 
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Thomson, Martin
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>> 
>> 
>> Hi People;
>> 
>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>> 
>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take 
>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting 
>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the 
>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the 
>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA 
>> deliberations or not.
>> 
>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations, 
>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a 
>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find 
>> interesting.
>> 
>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I 
>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
>> observations that you may have.
>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would 
>> accommodate public warnings, so your deliberations will be of 
>> great interest to the delegates at ITU. I will of course 
>> relay to you any outcomes that the November meeting of ITU 
>> may produce.
>> 
>> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the 
>> ITU process and visa versa.
>> 
>> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
>> liaisons of their own to ITU, which we may be able to 
>> reference for informational purposes.
>> 
>> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
>> available to gladly answer any questions.
>> 
>> Mark Wood DRCF.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
>>> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
>>> 
>>> If you would like to request some time on the agenda, 
>> please let us know.
>>> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
>>> 
>>>  draft-rosen-atoca-cap
>>>  draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
>>>  draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
>>> 
>>> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
>>> 
>>> The ATOCA chairs,
>>> Scott and Martin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> earlywarning mailing list
>>> [email-masked]
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
>> +44 7 818 400 124
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> earlywarning mailing list
>> [email-masked]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

_______________________________________________
earlywarning mailing list
[email-masked]
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

From: Brian Rosen <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:44:42 -0400
To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

I think it would be interesting to learn more about how it works.

I think we would like our work to be able to take advantage of any layer 2 mechanisms available that increase the rate at which notifications can be delivered to intended recipients.  Understanding how this particular layer 2 mechanism works may be helpful in making sure our higher level protocol work might use it if the operators cared to.

Brian

On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:

> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.
> 
> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell broadcast systems of warning.
> 
> Keith 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email-masked] 
>> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Thomson, Martin
>> Cc: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>> 
>> 
>> Hi People;
>> 
>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>> 
>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take 
>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting 
>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the 
>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the 
>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA 
>> deliberations or not.
>> 
>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations, 
>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a 
>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find 
>> interesting.
>> 
>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I 
>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
>> observations that you may have.
>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would 
>> accommodate public warnings, so your deliberations will be of 
>> great interest to the delegates at ITU. I will of course 
>> relay to you any outcomes that the November meeting of ITU 
>> may produce.
>> 
>> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the 
>> ITU process and visa versa.
>> 
>> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
>> liaisons of their own to ITU, which we may be able to 
>> reference for informational purposes.
>> 
>> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
>> available to gladly answer any questions.
>> 
>> Mark Wood DRCF.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
>>> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
>>> 
>>> If you would like to request some time on the agenda, 
>> please let us know.
>>> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
>>> 
>>>  draft-rosen-atoca-cap
>>>  draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
>>>  draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
>>> 
>>> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
>>> 
>>> The ATOCA chairs,
>>> Scott and Martin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> earlywarning mailing list
>>> [email-masked]
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
>> +44 7 818 400 124
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> earlywarning mailing list
>> [email-masked]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning

From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:30:19 +0200
Accept-Language: en-US
acceptlanguage: en-US
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G discussions to the meetings.

It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell broadcast systems of warning.

Keith 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Thomson, Martin
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> 
> Hi People;
> 
> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on 
> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
> 
> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take 
> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting 
> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the 
> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the 
> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA 
> deliberations or not.
> 
> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations, 
> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a 
> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find 
> interesting.
> 
> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I 
> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or 
> observations that you may have.
> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on 
> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would 
> accommodate public warnings, so your deliberations will be of 
> great interest to the delegates at ITU. I will of course 
> relay to you any outcomes that the November meeting of ITU 
> may produce.
> 
> May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the 
> ITU process and visa versa.
> 
> By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more 
> liaisons of their own to ITU, which we may be able to 
> reference for informational purposes.
> 
> I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be 
> available to gladly answer any questions.
> 
> Mark Wood DRCF.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
> > We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
> >
> > If you would like to request some time on the agenda, 
> please let us know.
> > We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
> >
> >   draft-rosen-atoca-cap
> >   draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
> >   draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
> >
> > Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
> >
> > The ATOCA chairs,
> > Scott and Martin
> > _______________________________________________
> > earlywarning mailing list
> > [email-masked]
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Wood, CTO Cellcast Corp. [email-masked]
> +44 7 818 400 124
> 
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
> 

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:22:34 +0100
From: "Mark Wood" <[email-masked]>
To: "Thomson, Martin" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi People;

I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on "multicast
address space harmonization for civic purposes".

As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take a few minutes
to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting in 2nd and 3rd generation
mobile networks and explain the ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss
if any of the discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
deliberations or not.

The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations, but the
process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a lot of discoveries
were made in that time which you may find interesting.

The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I will be in a
position to relay to them any thoughts or observations that you may have.
At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on the matter of
4G mobile networks and how they would accommodate public warnings, so your
deliberations will be of great interest to the delegates at ITU. I will of
course relay to you any outcomes that the November meeting of ITU may
produce.

May I also suggest that ATOCA be added as a 'Liason' to the ITU process
and visa versa.

By November, member states of ITU may have submitted more liaisons of
their own to ITU, which we may be able to reference for informational
purposes.

I intend to attend the whole IETF in Beijing, so I will be available to
gladly answer any questions.

Mark Wood DRCF.

On Tue, September 14, 2010 2:04 am, Thomson, Martin wrote:
> We've requested a time slot for ATOCA at the Beijing meeting.
>
> If you would like to request some time on the agenda, please let us know.
> We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts:
>
>   draft-rosen-atoca-cap
>   draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery
>   draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements
>
> Expect a draft agenda in the next few weeks.
>
> The ATOCA chairs,
> Scott and Martin
> _______________________________________________
> earlywarning mailing list
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From: "Thomson, Martin" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:04:35 +0800
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Subject: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

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From: "Thomson, Martin" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:59:02 +0800
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Subject: [earlywarning] Welcome to the ATOCA working group