Subject: [Iccrg] TCP unfriendly
From: [email-masked] (Michael Welzl)
Date: Thu Mar 26 16:44:15 2009

On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 10:35 -0400, Matt Mathis wrote:
> > * no deadline whatsoever
> >
> > * I think it's "draft-irtf-iccrg..." - if your question is
> >  about adopting it as a group item, I think that's fine,
> >  we (you+Wes+I) agreed in the past that we want to have your
> >  work in this group, and I don't think that anything more
> >  formal than that is required in the IRTF.
> 
> Ok I will make it a personal deadline to post draft-irtf-iccrg-unfriendly-00 
> by May 11.  I do not know if the draft management software requires you (the 
> chairs) to approve the submission (it does for -ietf-).

I never heard about or saw anything about such a software,
and we have a couple of "draft-irtf-iccrg-*" drafts, and so
this probably means that no such software is in use for the
IRTF  :-)

Cheers,
Michael

From: [email-masked] (Matt Mathis)
Date: Thu Mar 26 14:43:55 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] TCP unfriendly
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> * no deadline whatsoever
>
> * I think it's "draft-irtf-iccrg..." - if your question is
>  about adopting it as a group item, I think that's fine,
>  we (you+Wes+I) agreed in the past that we want to have your
>  work in this group, and I don't think that anything more
>  formal than that is required in the IRTF.

Ok I will make it a personal deadline to post draft-irtf-iccrg-unfriendly-00 
by May 11.  I do not know if the draft management software requires you (the 
chairs) to approve the submission (it does for -ietf-).

Thanks,
--MM--

From: [email-masked] (Michael Welzl)
Date: Thu Mar 26 08:54:10 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] TCP unfriendly
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi,

On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 01:31 -0400, Matt Mathis wrote:
> I just presented an interim update on TCP-unfriendly at TSVAREA.
> People were very attentive and supportive.

Good to hear that!

> I have a couple of process and planing questions:
> 
> Is there a formal (or informal) deadline for posting an updated draft prior to 
> the Tokyo meeting?   Should it be draft-mathis-iccrg-relentless-TCP-01.html or 
> something like draft-irtf-iccrg-relentless-TCP-01.html?   (Who decides?)

* no deadline whatsoever

* I think it's "draft-irtf-iccrg..." - if your question is
  about adopting it as a group item, I think that's fine,
  we (you+Wes+I) agreed in the past that we want to have your
  work in this group, and I don't think that anything more
  formal than that is required in the IRTF.

> How and when is the ICCRG agenda assembled?

By me, as soon as we have more entries - so far I have one +
one saying maybe, which isn't cool enough for a good agenda  :)

My guess is that this agenda will never become crowded, but
some entries will appear when folks have received their
acceptance notification from Pfldnet (and I feel guilty myself
here for delaying things, I still have to review 2 papers and
it's already beyond the deadline  :-(((    )

> Do you expect to meet at IETF 75 in Stockholm?  IETF 76 in Hiroshima?

Stockholm: yes. I expect to be running that show.
Hiroshima: no idea yet.

> Elsewhere?

no  :)

Cheers,
Michael

From: [email-masked] (Matt Mathis)
Date: Thu Mar 26 05:40:24 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] TCP unfriendly
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I just presented an interim update on TCP-unfriendly at TSVAREA.
People were very attentive and supportive.

I have a couple of process and planing questions:

Is there a formal (or informal) deadline for posting an updated draft prior to 
the Tokyo meeting?   Should it be draft-mathis-iccrg-relentless-TCP-01.html or 
something like draft-irtf-iccrg-relentless-TCP-01.html?   (Who decides?)

How and when is the ICCRG agenda assembled?

Do you expect to meet at IETF 75 in Stockholm?  IETF 76 in Hiroshima?
Elsewhere?

Thanks,
--MM--
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"The Truth" and use force to apply it to others.

From: [email-masked] (Saverio Mascolo)
Date: Thu Mar  5 12:40:28 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] Some NIST work that might be of interest to members of  this research group
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

we did a lot of experiment over umts and hsdpa. we found that bic/cubic,
newreno and westwood+ get similar results except for the fact that tcp
westwood provides shorter delays.

see http://c3lab.poliba.it/index.php/TCP_over_Hsdpa

http://c3lab.poliba.it/index.php/TCP_over_Umts

you should always consider  reverse traffic since it has a strong impact on
tcp behaviour becasue  bandwidth on reverse path is shared   with ack.

thanks
saverio

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Kevin Mills <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Some colleagues and I at NIST are applying mathematical and
> statistical methods, used by physical scientists, with am aim to
> understand and predict behavior in complex information systems, such
> as data communications networks and computational grids. As one
> challenge problem we are studying the network-wide implications of
> replacing TCP congestion control with one of six proposed alternatives
> (BIC, CTCP, FAST, HSTCP, HTCP and Scalable TCP). We have completed
> half of the study, which you can find in draft form
> on-line at the following URL:
> http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/DraftStudy.pdf<http://www.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills/DraftStudy.pdf>
> .
>
> There also is a powerpoint presentation that covers some of the theory
> underlying our approach
> (
> http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/presentations/IMSComplexSystems2008v12.pdf<http://www.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills/presentations/IMSComplexSystems2008v12.pdf>
> ).
>
> If you think you might be interested in reviewing and commenting on our
> work,
> then please do.
>
> Should the research group wish to learn more about our work, then we could
> probably arrange a presentation at one of your future meetings.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this post.
>
> Kevin Mills
>
> NIST
> 100 Bureau Drive Stop 8920
> Bldg. 222/B218
> Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8920
>
> Tel: (301) 975-3618
> Fax: (301) 975-6238
> email: [email-masked]
> web: http://w3.antd.nist.gov/~mills <http://w3.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills>
>
>
>
>
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>From [email-masked]  Tue Mar 24 16:17:43 2009
From: [email-masked] (Michael Welzl)
Date: Tue Mar 24 19:09:01 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] Meeting in Tokyo, with Pfldnet, 20 May
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Dear all,

As announced quite some time ago, and not mentioned again
for a long time - sorry!! - we will have the next ICCRG
meeting in Tokyo, co-located with PFLDNet; details:
http://www.hpcc.jp/pfldnet2009/Top.html

I will be your host  :)

Please send me suggestions for agenda items to Wes
and me ASAP so that we can start building it. Thanks!

Cheers,
Michael

From: [email-masked] (Saverio Mascolo)
Date: Wed Mar  4 11:31:15 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] Some NIST work that might be of interest to members of  this research group
In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
References: <[email-masked]>
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

quick question:  scalable tcp is very well know to be an example of unstable
protocol.
f.i. if you try to use in a  scenario as simple as 3 connections sharing a
bottlelenck you will get extreme unfairness, even more.. you will get one
connection getting all bandwidth and the others completely starved.

f.i., is this behaviour coming out from your models?

thanks,
saverio

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Kevin Mills <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Some colleagues and I at NIST are applying mathematical and
> statistical methods, used by physical scientists, with am aim to
> understand and predict behavior in complex information systems, such
> as data communications networks and computational grids. As one
> challenge problem we are studying the network-wide implications of
> replacing TCP congestion control with one of six proposed alternatives
> (BIC, CTCP, FAST, HSTCP, HTCP and Scalable TCP). We have completed
> half of the study, which you can find in draft form
> on-line at the following URL:
> http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/DraftStudy.pdf<http://www.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills/DraftStudy.pdf>
> .
>
> There also is a powerpoint presentation that covers some of the theory
> underlying our approach
> (
> http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/presentations/IMSComplexSystems2008v12.pdf<http://www.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills/presentations/IMSComplexSystems2008v12.pdf>
> ).
>
> If you think you might be interested in reviewing and commenting on our
> work,
> then please do.
>
> Should the research group wish to learn more about our work, then we could
> probably arrange a presentation at one of your future meetings.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this post.
>
> Kevin Mills
>
> NIST
> 100 Bureau Drive Stop 8920
> Bldg. 222/B218
> Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8920
>
> Tel: (301) 975-3618
> Fax: (301) 975-6238
> email: [email-masked]
> web: http://w3.antd.nist.gov/~mills <http://w3.antd.nist.gov/%7Emills>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Iccrg mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://oakham.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/iccrg
>

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Politecnico di Bari
Via Orabona 4
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>From [email-masked]  Thu Mar  5 00:51:24 2009
From: [email-masked] (Xiaoming Fu)
Date: Thu Mar  5 00:47:34 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] CFP: IEEE ICNP 2009 (submission deadline in 6 weeks: April
 17, 2009 -- HARD!)
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

[Sincere apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP.]

                          CALL FOR PAPERS
                             ICNP 2009
        17th IEEE International Conference on Network Protocols
                       October 13-16, 2009
                    Princeton, New Jersey, USA
                  http://www.ieee-icnp.org/2009

ICNP, the IEEE International Conference on Network Protocols is the
premier conference covering all aspects of network protocols. ICNP will
be held in its seventeenth year at Princeton, New Jersey from October
13-16th, 2009. Papers with significant research contributions on network
protocols are solicited for submission. Papers related to all aspects of
network protocols including design, implementation, analysis,
performance and specification are relevant. Papers must not be
previously published nor under review in any other conference or
journal. Only original papers that have not been published previously or
submitted for publication and under review by another conference or
journal elsewhere can be submitted. Papers containing plagiarized
material will be subject to the IEEE Plagiarism policy and will be
rejected without review. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to:
? Protocol design, implementation, testing and analysis.
? Measurement studies of protocol performance.
? Protocols for wireless ad hoc and sensor networks.
? Protocols for peer-to-peer networks.
? Protocols for specific functions such as routing, flow/congestion
control, network management.
? Protocols for security, survivability and fault-tolerance.

Papers must be directly relevant to protocols. Papers on general
networking where protocols are only a secondary focus will be considered
only if they are of exceptionally high quality.

Papers will be subject to a double-blind review process. The identity of
authors and referees will not be revealed to each other. To ensure blind
reviewing, the authors' names and affiliations should not appear in the
paper. Bibliographic references should protect the authors' anonymity.
Papers should adhere to the IEEE format and should not be more than 10
pages. The font size should not be smaller than 10pt.  Further
instructions will be posted on the ICNP website
(http://www.ieee-icnp.org/2009).

Authors of accepted papers will be expected to register for the
conference and the paper must be presented at the conference in order
for the paper to appear in the conference proceedings.

Important Dates:
Abstract Submission:        April 10, 2009 8:59 P.M. EDT
Paper Submission:           April 17, 2009 8:59 P.M. EDT (Hard Deadline)
Notification of Acceptance: July  28, 2009
Camera Ready Version Due:   September 4, 2009

Steering Committee:
David Lee (Chair)           Ohio State University, USA
Ken Calvert (Vice Chair)    University of Kentucky, USA
Kevin Almeroth              University of California, Santa Barbara, USA
Mostafa Ammar               Georgia Tech, USA
Sonia Fahmy                 Purdue University, USA
Mohamed Gouda               University of Texas, Austin, USA
Teruo Higashino             Osaka University, Japan
Krishan Sabnani             Bell Labs Research, USA

Advisory Board:
Simon Lam                   University of Texas, Austin, USA
Mike T. Liu                 Ohio State University, USA
Raymond Miller              University of Maryland, USA

General Chairs:
K.K. Ramakrishnan           AT & T Labs Research, USA
Henning Schulzrinne         Columbia University, USA

Program Chairs:
Timothy Griffin             University of Cambridge, UK
Srikanth V. Krishnamurthy   University of California, Riverside, USA

For more details, visit the conference webpage:
http://www.ieee-icnp.org/2009

Regards,
Xiaoming Fu
IEEE ICNP'09 Publicity Chair

From: [email-masked] (Kevin Mills)
Date: Tue Mar  3 19:32:25 2009
Subject: [Iccrg] Some NIST work that might be of interest to members of this research group
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Some colleagues and I at NIST are applying mathematical and 
statistical methods, used by physical scientists, with am aim to 
understand and predict behavior in complex information systems, such 
as data communications networks and computational grids. As one 
challenge problem we are studying the network-wide implications of 
replacing TCP congestion control with one of six proposed alternatives 
(BIC, CTCP, FAST, HSTCP, HTCP and Scalable TCP). We have completed 
half of the study, which you can find in draft form 
on-line at the following URL: http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/DraftStudy.pdf. 

There also is a powerpoint presentation that covers some of the theory
underlying our approach
(http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mills/presentations/IMSComplexSystems2008v12.pdf).

If you think you might be interested in reviewing and commenting on our work,
then please do.

Should the research group wish to learn more about our work, then we could
probably arrange a presentation at one of your future meetings.

Thanks for taking the time to read this post.

Kevin Mills

NIST
100 Bureau Drive Stop 8920
Bldg. 222/B218
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8920

Tel: (301) 975-3618
Fax: (301) 975-6238
email: [email-masked]
web: http://w3.antd.nist.gov/~mills