Subject: [idn] Re:

From: "Heinze, Bill" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0800

<[email-masked]>,
"'Mr. Marc Blanchet, Co-Chair, idn Working Group,'"
<[email-masked]>,
"'Mr. Erik Nordmark, Internet Area Director,'" <[email-masked]>,
"'Mr. Thomas Narten, Internet Area Director,'" <[email-masked]>,
"'Mr. John Klensin, Technical Advisor,'" <[email-masked]>,
"'Mr. Harald Alverstrand, Technical Advisor,'" <[email-masked]>,
"'RFC 2026 Submissions to IETF Director,'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [idn] IETF Notification of Patent Publication for WO 01/90955 A2
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January 16, 2002

Internet Engineering Task Force                 VIA E-MAIL TO:
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[email-masked]
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Re:  IETF Notification of Patent Publication for
<http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DWO
=
0190955&ID=3DW
O+++0190955A2+I+> WO 01/90955 A2=20
        Our File No. 561401-9010

Dear Subscribers:

In accordance with  <outbind://7/IESG/Section10.txt> Section 10 of the
<outbind://7/rfc/rfc2026.txt> The Internet Standards Process (RFC =
2026), we
are writing on behalf of
<http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=3DWO0190955&CY=3Dep&LG=3Den&DB=3
D=
EPD> .NU
Domain and its affiliate  <http://www.worldnames.net/> WorldNames,TM =
Inc. to
notify you of the publication of World Intellectual Property =
Organization
International Publication No.
<http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DWO
=
0190955&ID=3DW
O+++0190955A2+I+> WO 01/90955 A2 entitled "Internationalized Domain =
Name
System with Iterative Conversion." A copy of this document is available
=
at
the following website:=20

http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep
<http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DWO
=
0190955&ID=3DW
O+++0190955A2+I+> =
&LG=3Den&DB=3DEPD&PN=3DWO0190955&ID=3DWO+++0190955A2+I+=20

This patent application generally relates to a system, method, and =
logic for
managing data, including a database for implementing a key value =
operation,
such as a DNS resource record lookup, with a key having a predetermined
encoding, such as Unicode. Also provided is an iterative converter for
iteratively converting the key from each of multiple encodings to the
predetermined encoding before performing the key value operation with =
each
converted key. The system may also include a validator for verifying =
that a
syntax of each converted key is valid and a normalizer for normalizing =
each
converted key.=20

We believe that many of the technologies being discussed in this =
mailing
list infringe one or more of the 213 claims starting at page 87 of the
attached publication. We would therefore like to propose that you =
review
these claims and contact us immediately with regard to obtaining a =
license
and/or authorized access to WorldNames=E2=84=A2
<http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm> MLDNS=E2=84=A2 =
multilingual DNS
products and services described at the following hyperlink:

   <http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm>
http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm

Please note that failure to promptly obtain the appropriate =
authorization
may subject you and your organization to liability for royalties in the
=
U.S.
as of the date that you receive this letter under
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/154.html> 35 U.S.C. =
=C2=A7154(d). Once the
application is granted, additional
<http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/281.html> remedies are also =
available
including  <http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/283.html> injunctions,
<http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/284.html> treble damages, and
<http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/285.html> attorney fees. A variety =
of
other  <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/295.html> presumptions =
and
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/281.html> remedies may also be
available  <http://www.usitc.gov/us337.htm> in the U.S. and abroad.

If you believe that you have a
<http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/282.html> defense to these =
allegations,
such as non-  <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/271.html> =
infringement
or  <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/273.html> prior invention, =
then
please provide us with additional information to refute our allegations
=
and
avoid further involvement with this matter. Similarly, if you believe =
that
any of the attached claims are not
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/pIIch10.html> patentable, then =
please
bring them to our attention, along with any relevant
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/102.html> prior art, so that we =
may
submit that information to the appropriate patent offices.

We are looking forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.

Sincerely,

William F. Heinze, Esq.*=20
Thomas, Kayden, Horstemeyer & Risley, L.L.P.=20
100 Galleria Parkway, N.W., Suite 1750=20
Atlanta, GA 30339-5948=20

Tel.:  (770) 933-9500=20
Fax:  (770) 951-0933=20
Profile:   <http://www.tkhr.com/wfh.htm> http://www.tkhr.com/wfh.htm=20

*Admitted to practice in the Commonwealth of Virginia.  Not admitted in
Georgia.=20

cc:   Mr. James Seng, Co-Chair, idn Working Group,
<outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]> [email-masked]
        Mr. Marc Blanchet, Co-Chair, idn Working Group,
<outbind://7/Mail%20to:[email-masked]>
[email-masked]
        Mr. Erik Nordmark, Internet Area Director,
<outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]> [email-masked]
        Mr. Thomas Narten, Internet Area Director,
<mailto:[email-masked]> [email-masked]=20
        Mr. John Klensin, Technical Advisor,  <mailto:[email-masked]>
[email-masked]
        Mr. Harald Alverstrand, Technical Advisor,
<outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]> [email-masked]
        RFC 2026 Submissions to IETF Director,
<outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]> [email-masked]

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<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial>January 16, 2002</FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>Re:&nbsp;<SPAN =
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</SPAN><SPAN class=3D340313600-17012002>IETF </SPAN>Notification of =
Patent=20
Publication for </FONT><A=20
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File No. 561401-9010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Subscribers:</FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>In accordance with </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/IESG/Section10.txt"><FONT face=3DArial>Section=20
10</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> of the </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/rfc/rfc2026.txt"><FONT face=3DArial>The Internet =
Standards=20
Process</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> (RFC 2026), we are writing on =
behalf of=20
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=3DWO0190955&amp;CY=3Dep&a
=
mp;LG=3Den&amp;DB=3DEPD"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>.NU Domain</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> and its affiliate
=
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.worldnames.net/"><FONT =
face=3DArial>WorldNames,</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SUP>TM </SUP>Inc. to notify you of the publication of =
World=20
Intellectual Property Organization International Publication No. =
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&amp;LG=3Den&amp;D
=
B=3DEPD&amp;PN=3DWO0190955&amp;ID=3DWO+++0190955A2+I+"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>WO 01/90955 A2</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> entitled=20
"Internationalized Domain Name System with Iterative Conversion." A =
copy of this=20
document is available at the&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>following&nbsp;website</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>:</SPAN><SPAN class=3D340313600-17012002>=20
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D340313600-17012002><A=20
href=3D"http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&amp;LG=3Den&amp;D
=
B=3DEPD&amp;PN=3DWO0190955&amp;ID=3DWO+++0190955A2+I+">http://l2.espacen
=
et.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=3Dep&amp;LG=3Den&amp;DB=3DEPD&amp;PN=3DWO019095
=
5&amp;ID=3DWO+++0190955A2+I+</A>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D340313600-17012002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>Th<SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>is&nbsp;</SPAN>patent application generally =
relates to=20
a system, method, and logic for managing data, including a database for
=

implementing a key value operation, such as a DNS resource record =
lookup, with a=20
key having a predetermined encoding, such as Unicode. Also provided is =
an=20
iterative converter for iteratively converting the key from each of =
multiple=20
encodings to the predetermined encoding before performing the key value
=

operation with each converted key. The system may also include a =
validator for=20
verifying that a syntax of each converted key is valid and a normalizer
=
for=20
normalizing each converted key. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>We believe that many of the technologies being =
discussed in=20
this mailing list infringe one or more of the 213 claims starting at =
page 87 of=20
the attached publication. We would therefore like to propose that you =
review=20
these claims and contact us immediately with regard to obtaining a =
license=20
and/or authorized access to WorldNames=E2=84=A2 </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm"><FONT =
face=3DArial>MLDNS=E2=84=A2=20
multilingual DNS products and services</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> =
described=20
at&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D340313600-17012002>the =
following&nbsp;</SPAN>hyperlink<SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D340313600-17012002></SPAN><FONT=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm"><FONT=20
size=3D2>http://www.worldnames.net/MLDNS/default.cfm</FONT></A></FONT></
=
P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>Please note that failure to promptly obtain the =
appropriate=20
authorization may subject you and your organization to liability for =
royalties=20
in the U.S. as of the date that you receive this letter under </FONT><A
=

href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/154.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial>35 U.S.C.=20
=C2=A7154(d)</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>. Once the application is =
granted, additional=20
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face=3DArial>remedies</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> are also available =
including=20
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face=3DArial>injunctions</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/284.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial>treble=20
damages</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>, and </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/285.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial>attorney=20
fees</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>. A variety of other </FONT><A=20
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face=3DArial>presumptions</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> and </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/281.html"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>remedies</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> may also be =
available </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.usitc.gov/us337.htm"><FONT face=3DArial>in the=20
U.S</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>. and abroad.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>If you believe that you have a </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/282.html"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>defense</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> to these =
allegations, such as=20
non-</FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/271.html"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>infringement</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> or </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/273.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial>prior=20
invention</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>, then please provide us with =
additional=20
information to refute our allegations and avoid further involvement =
with this=20
matter. Similarly, if you believe that any of the attached claims are =
not=20
</FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/pIIch10.html"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>patentable</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>, then please =
bring them to our=20
attention, along with any relevant </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/102.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial>prior=20
art</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial>, so that we may submit that =
information to the=20
appropriate patent offices.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>We are looking forward to hearing from you as =
soon as=20
possible.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>Sincerely,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>William F. Heinze, Esq.* <BR>Thomas, Kayden, =
Horstemeyer=20
&amp; Risley, L.L.P. <BR>100 Galleria Parkway, N.W., Suite 1750 =
<BR>Atlanta, GA=20
30339-5948 </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>Tel.:&nbsp; (770)&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>933-9500</SPAN> <BR>Fax:&nbsp; (770) =
951-0933=20
<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Profile:&nbsp; </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.tkhr.com/wfh.htm" target=3D_blank><FONT=20
face=3DArial>http://www.tkhr.com/wfh.htm</FONT></A><U></U><FONT =
face=3DArial>=20
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>*Admitted to practice in the Commonwealth of =
Virginia.&nbsp;=20
Not admitted in Georgia. <BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>cc:&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D340313600-17012002>&nbsp; </SPAN>Mr.=20
James Seng, Co-Chair, idn Working Group, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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</SPAN>Mr.=20
Marc Blanchet, Co-Chair, idn Working Group, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/Mail%20to:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</SPAN>Mr.=20
Erik Nordmark, Internet Area Director, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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</SPAN>Mr.=20
Thomas Narten, Internet Area Director, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial> =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</SPAN>Mr.=20
John Klensin, Technical Advisor, </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D340313600-17012002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</SPAN>Mr.=20
Harald Alverstrand, Technical Advisor, </FONT><A=20
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face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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</SPAN>RFC=20
2026 Submissions to IETF Director, </FONT><A=20
href=3D"outbind://7/mail%20to:[email-masked]"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>[email-masked]</FONT></A></DIV>
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From: Dave Crocker <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:31:16 -0800

Dear Bill,

On the off chance that the email to the IETF's IDN list, with your address 
in the From field, was not an attempt by you or someone else to proffer 
some form of humor, a few comments are in order:

When making making claims of technical innovation, especially to a 
technical body, it helps to use the communications technology 
properly.  Your note was nearly incoherent because of serious encoding 
problems with your posting.  Further the web citations your provided were 
quite unusable.  As well, <http://l2.espacenet.com/> appears to be 
inaccessible.

Nonetheless:

At 10:43 PM 1/16/2002 -0800, Heinze, Bill wrote:
>Organization International Publication No.

A WIPO publication?  How nice.

When did WIPO start issuing patents?

>This patent application generally relates to a system, method, and

Application?  As in, no force of law yet?  How interesting.

>list infringe one or more of the 213 claims starting at page 87 of the

1.  It is a bit unusual to refer to a "technology" as infringing.  Perhaps 
you meant that you believe that some product USING the technology would be 
infringing?  A pity your meaning is unclear.

2.  Patent applications usually begin with an impressively inflated number 
of claims.  For those patents that actually issue, the number of claims 
that survive is typically vastly smaller.  That makes it difficult even to 
guess which portions of your impressive list of claims one should worry about.

>authorization may subject you and your organization to liability for 
>royalties in the

You are threatening legal actions against folks in this standards 
organizations for doing standards work without paying you a license fee?

Either you are jesting or, alas, once again at least being impressively 
unclear.

>William F. Heinze, Esq.

Esquire?  Cute touch, though doesn't it create a challenge for what to use 
upon making partner?

At any rate, please do feel free to distract our discussion list further, 
but perhaps with postings that are more readable in format and clear in 
content.

And in that unfortunate off chance that you were not the originator of the 
note sent under your name, to the person who did:  tsk. tsk.  Why would you 
want to alienate this standards organization to Mr. Heinze, by posting such 
a bothersome note, so badly formulated?

d/

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Dave Crocker  <mailto:[email-masked]>
Brandenburg InternetWorking  <http://www.brandenburg.com>
tel +1.408.246.8253;  fax +1.408.273.6464

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From: "James Seng/Personal" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:00:43 +0800

On the leakage of the MIME format of Bill's mail, it is a problem of my
side. Sorry. For some reasons when I bounce mails with MIME contain thru
majordomo, it tends to screwed up, especially when there is a long list
of headers.

Anyway, I already put Bill onto the auto-approve list since he is not on
the idn list directly.

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Crocker" <[email-masked]>
To: "Heinze, Bill" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 4:31 PM

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From: [email-masked] (David C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:10:55 -0500

Dave Crocker writes:
> As well, <http://l2.espacenet.com/> appears to be inaccessible.

Going to the full URL (after demunging the quoted-printable) works.

It is:
http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=WO0190955&ID=WO+++0190955A2+I+

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:44:19 +0200

Since I am just a reader and occasional contributor to this list, with
no official status, I feel free to comment.

I don't believe any patent, valid or not, can be construed to restrain
free speech. I cannot see why we cannot discuss any of these items,
including the validity of the patent claim, whether and how to refute
their claims and whether and how to circumvent or bypass them.

On the face of it, the claims seem ludicrous, but I would like to see
them more clearly. Since the mail as sent is unreadable, I don't want to
be guessing what was meant.

I suggest that Mr. Heinze send his mail again in a readable format, if
he desires to make a note of having sent it to this list.

Jony

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From: Marc Blanchet <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:13:11 -0500

It would be great if someone could assemble these 131 different pdf files 
in one file. I don't know how to do this, but that would be very useful!

Does the patent holder could do that for us?

Marc.