Subject: [Ietf-62] Conference net status.

From: Dennis Fazio <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:48:05 -0600

It's been a while since we've communicated on things for the Minneapolis 
conference, so here are some status details and needs we still have:

Dave Farmer and I have met with the Hilton folks and surveyed the site and 
we've also met a couple of times to map out the network design. Here is a 
summary:

1. Hilton facilities.

All of the wiring and infrastructure facilities are still in place and 
available. There are two network drops in each meeting room, one for the 
internal Hotel LAN and one for the Hilton Internet service. We will be able 
to use the wiring for the Hilton Internet service for our purposes during the 
week, so that gives us two drops in each room. That obviates the need to put 
a switch in each room to accommodate the wireless data and wired unicast 
voice nets (I believe there is no multicast video this time).

We will have access to their telecomm/network hub on the 4th floor to be able 
to place equipment and patch into their distribution panels for the meeting 
rooms. Other distribution panels are still available in the coat room, where 
the registration desk will be.

We will also have access to the roof to place wireless equipment. We also 
surveyed the possibility of placing a base station to cover the 28th floor 
lounge, and that also is available using hotel wiring.

2. Internet access

Onvoy has placed an order for the dark fiber to the Hilton to terminate in 
their Minneapolis PoP in a gigabit ethernet port. From there, vLANs will be 
routed to get traffic to their 2-3 upstream backbones, and over a direct link 
to the University for Internet2 cross-connect. Delivery is on schedule for 
the first couple of days in March.

For a backup link, we would like to put in a wireless broadband link to the 
University for connection to its upstream national providers. We are seeking 
equipment from Alcatel, via Chris Liljenstolpe, and from Cisco, via Dave 
Farmer and the University Cisco rep. We hope to hear within a few days. If 
that does not pan out, we will have to install one or two T1 links.

3. Wired net

The University will supply whatever number of Cisco 3750 switch/routers we 
need to build the wired network. We will terminate the dark fiber and the 
wireless link in this equipment, one in the basement telecom room, one on the 
roof. GigE links will be brought down to the 3rd floor and distribution to 
the meeting rooms and base stations will be done from there. Switches will 
also be placed in the terminal room to supply the wired drops, printers and 
handful of supplied laptops there.

IPv6 routing will be done with a pair of Cisco 2900 units that the University 
will also supply, one for the Onvoy dark fiber path, one for the University 
wireless path.

There should be no need for any additional routers or switches from other 
sources.

4. Wireless net

We are still in need of about 35 801.11 b/g or a/b/g base stations. This is 
our estimate to cover all the meeting rooms on both floors, the lobby and 
bar, the 28th floor lounge and a couple on the roof for outdoors. To do the 
rooftop units, we will need a couple of hi-gain directional antennas to give 
us decent signal down on the street and into the bars and restaurants. There 
is still no word on availability of this equipment yet.

We also need a person to take on the role of project director for the 
wireless net. We could do it here with University folk, but this is a 
challenging high-density high-noise network and someone well-steeped in radio 
magic would be most helpful. Any network management software to monitor and 
manage the wireless net and expertise to run it is also needed.

5. Servers and printers

I believe the servers are on hand at IETF HQ and ready for deployment. We 
need to have a project leader for this portion officially identified also to 
get the web, mail, DHCP, print queues, etc. up and running. I believe Albert 
is also in the process of acquiring printers.

Next steps:

Dave and I will visit the Hilton again next week to get the jacks and 
building wiring mapped out with their LAN guy and start early planning for 
switch/router and  base station placement. Dave will do an initial network 
plan in Visio and send it out (PDFs would be helpful for readibility) when 
available.

We need to identify where the base stations will come from, who will be the 
wireless net lead, and who will be the server system lead.

I am sure I forgot some things, so please chime in. We need to get some 
chatter going here and details planned out, so off we go.

Albert, is there any information I can gather or put together that would be 
useful for the attendees during their visit here?

-- 
Dennis Fazio
612-781-6890

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From: Chris Liljenstolpe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:34:28 +0800

Can we add Scott Fritchie to this list?  The e-mail is 
[email-masked]

	Chris

On 03 Feb 2005, at 07.48, Dennis Fazio wrote:

> It's been a while since we've communicated on things for the 
> Minneapolis conference, so here are some status details and needs we 
> still have:
>
> Dave Farmer and I have met with the Hilton folks and surveyed the site 
> and we've also met a couple of times to map out the network design. 
> Here is a summary:
>
> 1. Hilton facilities.
>
> available. There are two network drops in each meeting room, one for 
> the internal Hotel LAN and one for the Hilton Internet service. We 
> will be able to use the wiring for the Hilton Internet service for our 
> purposes during the week, so that gives us two drops in each room. 
> That obviates the need to put a switch in each room to accommodate the 
> wireless data and wired unicast voice nets (I believe there is no 
> multicast video this time).
>
> We will have access to their telecomm/network hub on the 4th floor to 
> be able to place equipment and patch into their distribution panels 
> for the meeting rooms. Other distribution panels are still available 
> in the coat room, where the registration desk will be.
>
> We will also have access to the roof to place wireless equipment. We 
> also surveyed the possibility of placing a base station to cover the 
> 28th floor lounge, and that also is available using hotel wiring.
>
> 2. Internet access
>
> Onvoy has placed an order for the dark fiber to the Hilton to 
> terminate in their Minneapolis PoP in a gigabit ethernet port. From 
> there, vLANs will be routed to get traffic to their 2-3 upstream 
> backbones, and over a direct link to the University for Internet2 
> cross-connect. Delivery is on schedule for the first couple of days in 
> March.
>
> For a backup link, we would like to put in a wireless broadband link 
> to the University for connection to its upstream national providers. 
> We are seeking equipment from Alcatel, via Chris Liljenstolpe, and 
> from Cisco, via Dave Farmer and the University Cisco rep. We hope to 
> hear within a few days. If that does not pan out, we will have to 
> install one or two T1 links.
>
> 3. Wired net
>
> The University will supply whatever number of Cisco 3750 
> switch/routers we need to build the wired network. We will terminate 
> the dark fiber and the wireless link in this equipment, one in the 
> basement telecom room, one on the roof. GigE links will be brought 
> down to the 3rd floor and distribution to the meeting rooms and base 
> stations will be done from there. Switches will also be placed in the 
> terminal room to supply the wired drops, printers and handful of 
> supplied laptops there.
>
> IPv6 routing will be done with a pair of Cisco 2900 units that the 
> University will also supply, one for the Onvoy dark fiber path, one 
> for the University wireless path.
>
> There should be no need for any additional routers or switches from 
> other sources.
>
> 4. Wireless net
>
> We are still in need of about 35 801.11 b/g or a/b/g base stations. 
> This is our estimate to cover all the meeting rooms on both floors, 
> the lobby and bar, the 28th floor lounge and a couple on the roof for 
> outdoors. To do the rooftop units, we will need a couple of hi-gain 
> directional antennas to give us decent signal down on the street and 
> into the bars and restaurants. There is still no word on availability 
> of this equipment yet.
>
> challenging high-density high-noise network and someone well-steeped 
> in radio magic would be most helpful. Any network management software 
> to monitor and manage the wireless net and expertise to run it is also 
> needed.
>
> 5. Servers and printers
>
> I believe the servers are on hand at IETF HQ and ready for deployment. 
> We need to have a project leader for this portion officially 
> identified also to get the web, mail, DHCP, print queues, etc. up and 
> running. I believe Albert is also in the process of acquiring 
> printers.
>
>
> Next steps:
>
> building wiring mapped out with their LAN guy and start early planning 
> for switch/router and  base station placement. Dave will do an initial 
> network plan in Visio and send it out (PDFs would be helpful for 
> readibility) when available.
>
> We need to identify where the base stations will come from, who will 
> be the wireless net lead, and who will be the server system lead.
>
> I am sure I forgot some things, so please chime in. We need to get 
> some chatter going here and details planned out, so off we go.
>
> Albert, is there any information I can gather or put together that 
> would be useful for the attendees during their visit here?
>
> -- 
> Dennis Fazio
> 612-781-6890
>

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From: Chris Liljenstolpe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:47:52 +0800

I would recommend Scott Fritchie to run the servers.

	Chris

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From: Albert Vezza <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:22:34 -0500

Dennis,

Thanks for the update.  Things are looking like they are coming along.

Al

At 17:48 -0600 2/2/05, Dennis Fazio wrote:
>Dave Farmer and I have met with the Hilton folks and surveyed the 
>site and we've also met a couple of times to map out the network 
>design. Here is a summary:
>
>1. Hilton facilities.
>
>All of the wiring and infrastructure facilities are still in place 
>and available. There are two network drops in each meeting room, one 
>for the internal Hotel LAN and one for the Hilton Internet service. 
>We will be able to use the wiring for the Hilton Internet service 
>for our purposes during the week, so that gives us two drops in each 
>room. That obviates the need to put a switch in each room to 
>accommodate the wireless data and wired unicast voice nets (I 
>believe there is no multicast video this time).

Great, and as of right now there will be no video.

>We will have access to their telecomm/network hub on the 4th floor 
>to be able to place equipment and patch into their distribution 
>panels for the meeting rooms. Other distribution panels are still 
>available in the coat room, where the registration desk will be.

Good.

>28th floor lounge, and that also is available using hotel wiring.

If that can be done great.

>cross-connect. Delivery is on schedule for the first couple of days 
>in March.

Ok.

>install one or two T1 links.

Ok

>stations will be done from there. Switches will also be placed in 
>the terminal room to supply the wired drops, printers and handful of 
>supplied laptops there.

Ok

>the lobby and bar, the 28th floor lounge and a couple on the roof 
>for outdoors. To do the rooftop units, we will need a couple of 
>hi-gain directional antennas to give us decent signal down on the 
>street and into the bars and restaurants. There is still no word on 
>availability of this equipment yet.

Jim, can you or Chris Eliot and Karen Odonoghue help us or should I 
go begging elsewhere.

>We also need a person to take on the role of project director for 
>the wireless net. We could do it here with University folk, but this 
>is a challenging high-density high-noise network and someone 
>well-steeped in radio magic would be most helpful. Any network 
>management software to monitor and manage the wireless net and 
>expertise to run it is also needed.

Ditto Jim, Chris and Karen.

>5. Servers and printers
>
>I believe the servers are on hand at IETF HQ and ready for 
>deployment. We need to have a project leader for this portion 
>officially identified also to get the web, mail, DHCP, print queues, 
>etc. up and running. I believe Albert is also in the process of 
>acquiring printers.

Scott Blomquist is Foretec's sysadmin and he will be in Minneapolis 
to help Scott Fritchie.  Blomquist (Scott doesn't work in this case) 
will look at the servers next week and do any updating needed before 
we ship the to Minneapolis.

>
>Next steps:
>
>Dave and I will visit the Hilton again next week to get the jacks 
>and building wiring mapped out with their LAN guy and start early 
>planning for switch/router and  base station placement. Dave will do 
>an initial network plan in Visio and send it out (PDFs would be 
>helpful for readibility) when available.

Ok

>be the wireless net lead, and who will be the server system lead.

I think this is handled with the Scott and Scott

>would be useful for the attendees during their visit here?

That last is a question for Marcia.  Thanks for all the work.  It looks great.

-- 
Albert Vezza
President
Foretec Seminars, Inc
1895 Preston White Drive
Suite 100
Reston, VA 20191-5434

Internet mail: [email-masked]
Tel: (703) 620-9053
Fax: (703) 620-9071

Natick, MA Office
Tel:  (508) 650 4020
Fax:  (508) 650 4639

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From: Jim Martin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:09:44 +0100

Dennis & Dave,
	Thanks a ton for doing the leg work onsite. Always great to have some 
local folks to walk the halls and check the cables :-) Were there any 
notable /changes/ since last time?

	You guys asked about who's involved and who owns what, so here's a 
summary of who/what/when that I know. Let me say first that just about 
everyone on the list is a generalist, and that we all know that we have 
just one job, to make the net work and work well. However, I'm listing 
tasks associated with people so they know that they "own" that part of 
the project and I'll be coming to them for status. If anyone objects to 
what I've listed them with, please yell! Also, if I've forgotten 
anyone, yell even louder :-)

	Chris Liljenstolpe ([email-masked]) - Routing and internal 
infrastructure
	Karen O'Donoghue ([email-masked]) - Wireless Infrastructure
	Chris Elliott ([email-masked]) - Wireless Infrastructure
	Chris Stradtman ([email-masked]) - Systems / Wireless Bad Guy 
Detection
	Bill "wej" Jensen ([email-masked]) - Network Management
	Rob "Alice" Nagy ([email-masked]) - RADIUS/802.1X
	Geoff Horne ([email-masked]) - DNS/DHCP
	Scott Fritchie ([email-masked]) - Systems
	Dennis Fazio ([email-masked]) - Onvoy wrangler
	Dave Farmer ([email-masked]) - I2/v6/multicast link wrangler, student 
help scrounger, random part acquisition, and general good help
	Jim Martin ([email-masked]) -  Technical coordination and general 
guy to take the blame :-)

	Al, if any of these guys /aren't/ on this list could you please add 
them? (I've CC'd everyone this time for safety)

	Ok, also, it would be really good to know when people are coming in 
and heading out. Here are my dates:

	Jim Martin: March 1-11

	If people could please reply with their dates, I'd really appreciate 
it!

	I'll start discussions on network gear status and network design in 
separate messages.

	This should be fun guys ... looking forward to working with everyone 
again!

	- Jim

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From: Dennis Fazio <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:35:11 -0600

> notable /changes/ since last time?

Some minor improvements in wiring and Internet access on the 3rd and 4th 
floors. There is also now a Hilton wireless net in place that they said they 
could partially disable so as not to interfere with the IETF net. I believe 
all of the rooms now have for-fee Internet access, mostly covered by WiFi. 
But all of the basic fiber infrastructure we installed a few IETFs ago is 
still in place.

-- 
Dennis Fazio
612-781-6890

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:38:10 -0500 (EST)

I have made sure these are all subscribed...

   Chris Liljenstolpe ([email-masked]) - Routing and internal infrastructure
   Karen O'Donoghue ([email-masked]) - Wireless Infrastructure
   Chris Elliott ([email-masked]) - Wireless Infrastructure
   Chris Stradtman ([email-masked]) - Systems / Wireless Bad Guy Detection
   Bill "wej" Jensen ([email-masked]) - Network Management
   Rob "Alice" Nagy ([email-masked]) - RADIUS/802.1X
   Geoff Horne ([email-masked]) - DNS/DHCP
   Scott Fritchie ([email-masked]) - Systems
   Dennis Fazio ([email-masked]) - Onvoy wrangler
   Dave Farmer ([email-masked]) - I2/v6/multicast link wrangler, student help scrounger, random part acquisition, and general good help
   Jim Martin ([email-masked]) -  Technical coordination and general guy to take the blame :-)

I will have my hands on the systems going out there later this week
(the ones from San Diego).  If I can do any prep work that will help
out, please let me know.  (I will mirror the site to them, at least
and send out an email about what is on them)

I will be onsite 3/3-3/12.

Cheers,

sb. Scott Blomquist

   From: Jim Martin <[email-masked]>
   Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:09:44 +0100
   Cc: Chris Liljenstolpe <[email-masked]>, [email-masked],         Chris Elliott <[email-masked]>, Geoff Horne <[email-masked]>,         rob nagy <[email-masked]>, [email-masked],         Chris Stradtman <[email-masked]>

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From: Jim Martin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:42:19 +0100

Geoff,
	Thanks, and the 3rd will be fine. Will you be shipping your boxes to  
arrive before you do? I'd be glad to hunt them down on the 2nd/morning  
of the 3rd...

	Ok, anyone else have dates? :-)

	- Jim

On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Geoff Horne wrote:

>
>
> Jim Martin wrote:
>>     Ok, also, it would be really good to know when people are coming  
>> in and heading out. Here are my dates:
>
> Geoff and Alice - March 3 - 11. If you need us on the 2nd let us know  
> asap.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----|
>   Geoff Horne
>   Global Solutions Specialist, Architecture              
> www.infoblox.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----|
>   "Don't take life too seriously, you don't get out of it alive anyway"
>                                Burt Ward
>

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From: Geoff Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:22:50 -0800

> and heading out. Here are my dates:

Geoff and Alice - March 3 - 11. If you need us on the 2nd let us know asap.

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   Global Solutions Specialist, Architecture             www.infoblox.com
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