Subject: Re: RE:[lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt

From: "Xiaohui Fan" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:51:35 +0800

Coopearion among standard organizations is very common. The action is suitable. 

Although the mem AD is defined by OMA, it shall not simply think that the work of defining specs and 
technoligies be done only in OMA especially for mobile email.  

IETF email protocols are very popular around the world. The realization of mobile email using IETF 
protocols which may have higher compatibility and performance is extremely necessary.

I agree that we should also focus on getting current AD draft complated. But it is a pity the formal
review still not begin even after oma meeting in Athens.

======= 2005-12-15 00:17:34 You wrote：=======

>If this is a realization of the OMA MEM architecture, shouldn't the OMA define this instead of the IETF.
>The document seems severly out of place.  Since this document ties us to the OMA MEM arch, we must spend allot of time making sure the doc is synched with the OMA MEM specs.
>I'm not sure having this document in the IETF is such a good idea since it could bog us down and slow down progress even more.
>
>I would rather see us focusing on getting current drafts and technolgies completed rather than worry about the OMA MEM architecutre. 
>
>
>Corby Wilson
>Security & Mobile Connectivity
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of ext Burger, Eric
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:10 AM
>To: SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE
>Cc: [email-masked]; Ordogh Zoltan (Nokia-TP-MSW/Tampere)
>Subject: RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
>
>Now I understand.
>
>The abstract is probably poorly worded, which is something that can be fixed.  In fact, the comment highlights some important points.
>
>In particular:
>o  The draft is a work group draft.  This means the draft represents
>   the view of the work group, and not of any particular individual's
>   view.
>
>o  The draft is an IETF work in progress similar to, as pointed out,
>   the OMA work in progress.
>
>o  The draft records the IETF's current view of a realization of the
>   currently published MEM architecture, as sent by the OMA liaison
>   to the IETF, using the lemonade suite.
>
>o  In addition, the draft contains a pedagogical summary of the MEM
>   Requirements and Architecture Documents for IETF readers' benefit.
>
>
>The lemonade work group needed a vehicle for communicating our thoughts and plans to the OMA.  The only vehicle we have for writing, debating, and gaining consensus on documents is the Internet Draft, so that is what the work group produced.  It is important to note there has been no decision as to whether this particular draft will ever be an RFC.
>
>I hope this clarifies the purpose and rationale for the draft.  Your comment is, in fact, part of the process and we welcome your further participation in the work group.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE [mailto:[email-masked]]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:06 AM
>To: [email-masked]; Burger, Eric
>Cc: [email-masked]
>Subject: RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm not participating to OMA meeting in Athens and I agree with the OMA-MEM response.
>
>Eric Burger, to response to your question I disagree with the abstract/ resume of the draft because
>
>The Lemonade WG draft introduction presents the work of OMA MEM as a finished work, which in fact it is not.  In the draft, it is stated that the "realization of the architecture for the mobile email enabler (MEM) [is specified] by the OMA"; however, this is inexact.  In fact, this realization is a work in progress, and has not been finalized.  Secondly, the draft statement indicates that the architecture uses Internet mail protocols, which may appear slightly misleading.  In fact, this realization can use a variety of protocols (for example, OMA Standard), and not only Internet mail protocols.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Hubert Segond
>France T閘閏om - Division R&D
>42, rue des Coutures BP 6243 CAEN Cedex 4
>Tel: +33 (0)2 31 75 90 98
> 
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De? [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] Envoy闋: mardi 13 d閏embre 2005 22:37 罓: [email-masked]; SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE Cc? [email-masked] Objet? RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
>
>The document in question has been reviewed in OMA MEM group.
>OMA MEM has drafed a liaison statement which includes the OMA MEM comments/questions.
>You should receive the liaison statement sometimes during next week hopefully.
>Stephane and Glenn was present during the discussions - they know the details.
>
>Best regards: Zolt醤 謗d鰃h
>E-mail: [email-masked]
>Phone: +358 50 386 0566
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
>Behalf Of ext Burger, Eric
>Sent: 09 December, 2005 05:06
>To: SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE
>Cc: [email-masked]
>Subject: RE:
>[lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
>
>
>What specifically do you disagree with in the draft?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE
>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:54 AM
>To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
>Cc: [email-masked]
>Subject: RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt 
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>"Realization of the architecture as specified by the OMA, using Internet
>   Mail protocols Internet"  ???
>   
>I 'm working an OMA MEM Working Group (like Orange SA delegate) and I can assure that any OMA MEM architecture document is ready, we just are studying the architecture in the OMA group and the architecture is not specified or finalized today.
>
>I disagree with this draft.
>
>Best Regards, 
>
>Hubert Segond
>France T閘閏om - Division R&D
>42, rue des Coutures BP 6243 CAEN Cedex 4
>Tel: +33 (0)2 31 75 90 98
>
>
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De? [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] De la part de [email-masked] Envoy闋: jeudi 8 d閏embre 2005 00:50 罓: [email-masked] Cc? [email-masked] Objet? [lemonade] I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt 
>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF.
>
>	Title		: Realization of OMA Mobile Email (MEM) Architecture using Internet Mail
>	Author(s)	: S. Maes, G. Parsons
>	Filename	: draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
>	Pages		: 33
>	Date		: 2005-12-7
>	
>   This document specifies a realization of the architecture for the
>   mobile email enabler (MEM) as specified by the OMA, using Internet
>   Mail protocols.
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