Subject: RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt

From: "Burger, Eric" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:23:18 -0500

That is where I would expect the information in the document to end up.  However, we needed to get the lemonade message out, and this was the vehicle for it.

Your comment highlights why we will most likely not invest the resources to progress the document to RFC status.

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If this is a realization of the OMA MEM architecture, shouldn't the OMA define this instead of the IETF.
The document seems severly out of place.  Since this document ties us to the OMA MEM arch, we must spend allot of time making sure the doc is synched with the OMA MEM specs.
I'm not sure having this document in the IETF is such a good idea since it could bog us down and slow down progress even more.

I would rather see us focusing on getting current drafts and technolgies completed rather than worry about the OMA MEM architecutre. 

Corby Wilson
Security & Mobile Connectivity

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Subject: RE: [lemonade]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt

Now I understand.

The abstract is probably poorly worded, which is something that can be fixed.  In fact, the comment highlights some important points.

In particular:
o  The draft is a work group draft.  This means the draft represents
   the view of the work group, and not of any particular individual's
   view.

o  The draft is an IETF work in progress similar to, as pointed out,
   the OMA work in progress.

o  The draft records the IETF's current view of a realization of the
   currently published MEM architecture, as sent by the OMA liaison
   to the IETF, using the lemonade suite.

o  In addition, the draft contains a pedagogical summary of the MEM
   Requirements and Architecture Documents for IETF readers' benefit.

The lemonade work group needed a vehicle for communicating our thoughts and plans to the OMA.  The only vehicle we have for writing, debating, and gaining consensus on documents is the Internet Draft, so that is what the work group produced.  It is important to note there has been no decision as to whether this particular draft will ever be an RFC.

I hope this clarifies the purpose and rationale for the draft.  Your comment is, in fact, part of the process and we welcome your further participation in the work group.

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From: SEGOND Hubert RD-BIZZ-CAE [mailto:[email-masked]]
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Hi all,

I'm not participating to OMA meeting in Athens and I agree with the OMA-MEM response.

Eric Burger, to response to your question I disagree with the abstract/ resume of the draft because

The Lemonade WG draft introduction presents the work of OMA MEM as a finished work, which in fact it is not.  In the draft, it is stated that the "realization of the architecture for the mobile email enabler (MEM) [is specified] by the OMA"; however, this is inexact.  In fact, this realization is a work in progress, and has not been finalized.  Secondly, the draft statement indicates that the architecture uses Internet mail protocols, which may appear slightly misleading.  In fact, this realization can use a variety of protocols (for example, OMA Standard), and not only Internet mail protocols.

Best Regards,

Hubert Segond
France Télécom - Division R&D
42, rue des Coutures BP 6243 CAEN Cedex 4
Tel: +33 (0)2 31 75 90 98

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The document in question has been reviewed in OMA MEM group.
OMA MEM has drafed a liaison statement which includes the OMA MEM comments/questions.
You should receive the liaison statement sometimes during next week hopefully.
Stephane and Glenn was present during the discussions - they know the details.

Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh
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Phone: +358 50 386 0566

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What specifically do you disagree with in the draft?

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Hi All,

"Realization of the architecture as specified by the OMA, using Internet
   Mail protocols Internet"  ???
   
I 'm working an OMA MEM Working Group (like Orange SA delegate) and I can assure that any OMA MEM architecture document is ready, we just are studying the architecture in the OMA group and the architecture is not specified or finalized today.

I disagree with this draft.

Best Regards, 

Hubert Segond
France Télécom - Division R&D
42, rue des Coutures BP 6243 CAEN Cedex 4
Tel: +33 (0)2 31 75 90 98

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Realization of OMA Mobile Email (MEM) Architecture using Internet Mail
	Author(s)	: S. Maes, G. Parsons
	Filename	: draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt
	Pages		: 33
	Date		: 2005-12-7
	
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