Subject: (ngtrans) FW: Notes from Pittsburgh

From: "Tony Hain" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:43:41 -0700

These are still the raw notes from Pittsburgh. If details are wrong or
incomplete for the key issues please speak up.

Tony

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Tony Hain  
> Sent:	Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:36 PM
> To:	'Bob Fink'; 'Alain Durand'
> Subject:	Notes from Pittsburgh
> 
> Sorry these have taken so long to get out... I am not sure how to best
> clean them up without ending up back at simply the agenda. Thoughts?
> 
> NGtrans Minutes 8/2/00
> 
> With a single 2-hour time slot and 18 topics to discuss, each topic
> had a strict time limit, resulting in very little discussion. Without
> a volunteer to take notes, the timekeeper was doing double duty. The
> presentation series resulted in 3 new documents being sent to the list
> for becoming working group items, and one moving to working group last
> call. The primary focus of the series was 6to4, with the various
> translators adding refinements. The group will change its name to
> match the IPNG change, and become IPv6transition.
> 
> Agenda Bash						2 min Chairs
> Overview document					5 min Chairs 
> 
> N+I							2 min Jinmei
> Tatuya
> 		routers from hitaci & cisco
> 
> DSTM 							10 min Jim Bound
> 		new co-authors
> 		removed all optional processing
> 		applicability statement added
> 		desire for manual config : details in mail
> 		dns components will be started as a new additional draft
> 
> SIIT evolution 						10 min
> Eric Nordmark
> 		inbound routing to v6 only box
> 		discovery of the mapping to tunnel
> 		tunneling to mobile node : results in 3 headers per
> packet
> 		open issues : getting addresses from visited site vs.
> home
> 		pdf of slides in the mail
> 
> 6to4 multicast 						10 min
> Dave Thaler
> 		goal is to make multicast work over nbma link
> 		scale : state per receiver
> 		ask list to move to wg draft
> 
> 6to4 scaling issues 					10 mins Tony
> Hain
> 		IPv4 internet looks like single nbma link to 6to4 nodes
> 		ask list to move to wg draft (possibly combined with
> tunnel endpoint)
> 
> Tunnels end point in DNS   				5 min Alain
> Durand
> 		ask list to move to wg draft (possibly combined with
> 6to4scale)
> 
> 6to4 addresses rvs DNS   				10 min Keith
> Moore
> 		map out possible solutions
> 		2 methods : if existing ipv4 zone look there : assume
> well known addr
> 		only assume delegation point, not record
> 		dos attack concerns raised
> 
> Broker							5 min
> Guardini Ivano
> 		framework doc 
> 
> Mime type 						5 min Alain
> Durand
> 		ask list to move to wg draft
> 
> v6v4compat 						5 min Fred
> Templin
> 		new format address
> 		designed for : 6to4 routers detached from hosts
> 		embed the external router address at 6to4 level & host
> ipv4 in low 64
> 		are the rest of the draft scenarios being dropped?
> 		what new does this add to auto tunneling?
> 		when to tunnel vs route?
> 		take to list for further discussion
> 
> Hometun 						10 min Francis
> Dupont
> 		unsolicited NA with override to fix the tunnel endpoint
> 		security esp header
> 		provides security, but where is the access control?
> 		each packet has its own SA : if it was v6 esp it would
> work
> 		would cut protocol machinery : take to mail list 
> 
> Multicast Translator 					5 min Kazuaki
> Tsuchiya
> 		take to list for further discussion : chairs to discuss
> experimental vs. std
> 
> Abuse against IPv6 transition				2 min Itojun
> 		open relays as attack point
> 		is this an ipv6 or ngtrans issue?
> 		is this an implementation or spec issue?
> 		seem to be setting up mechanisms that make ddos easier
> 
> Transport relay translator 				2 min Itojun
> 		no extra config : trying to increase scale
> 		no major changes - want to go to wg last call
> 		wants wg last call
> 
> SOCKS update 	 					2 min Hiroshi
> Kitamura
> 		comments addressed : unnecessary parts removed
> 		looking for WG last call
> 
> Introduction to transition  				2 min Alain
> Durand
> 		scenarios are next
> 		update on dstm to match new draft
> 		expect -05 soon : last call in SD
> 
> WG Name change					2 min Chairs
> 
> 		linked to ipng group so we should to change to ipv6 as
> well
> 		will revisit charter at the same time
> 
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