Subject: RE: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas

From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:43 +0300

This is confusing.  In floor control we already have "chair" role 
and I don't think it is a good idea to have overlapping terminology.

Hand-raised element also sounds like floor-control claim so I propose 
that something else is used, such as silent/muted/inactive vs. active.
Otherwise we are reinventing floor control.

One new extension which might be useful is "trying to join" (or "trying") 
in status element. This is also needed in CPCP when user is in ACL pending list
and moderator is informed (via event package) that user is trying to join
and moderator needs to do something.

Petri

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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of ext Chris Boulton
Sent: 20 October, 2003 12:47
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Alan Johnston
Subject: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas

All,
            I understand that the conference event package is currently being revised for another version and have a couple suggestions that the authors/list might want to consider for inclusion.  I initially included these in a proposal for a new ID but have been advised (thanks Alan ;-) that they might be better suited in the base conference package.  The information below all extend the 'user' element form 'draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package' with the exception of '<conference-locked>' which extends the '<conference-info>' element.
 
conf-role Element

   The <conference-role> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and provides an explicit
   role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar.
   The <conference-role> element can hold one of the following values:
 
   chairman: The chair of the specified conference.
 
   member: A general member of the specified conference.
 
   secretary: The secretary of the conference.
 
   observer: An observer of the conference.
 
<xs:element name="conf-role">
          <xs:simpleType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
              <xs:enumeration value="chairman"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="member"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="secretary"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="observer"/>
            </xs:restriction>
          </xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>
 
conference-locked Element
 
   The <conference-locked> element is used to convey to participants
   that the conference represented by this document is currently locked
   and can not receive any more participants. The <conference-locked>
   element is not mandatory and holds a boolean value.
 
<xs:element name="conference-locked" type="xs:boolean" default="false" minOccurs="0"
           maxOccurs="1"/>
 
hand-raised Element
 
   The <hand-raised> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and indicates that a user
   who is currently muted wishes to become active.  This element holds a
   boolean value.
 
<xs:element name="hand-raised" type="xs:boolean" default="false"
              minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1"/>
 
member-mute Element
 
   The <member-mute> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and conveys to a conference
   that a particular member is currently muted. It can either hold the
   token value 'muted' or 'not-muted'.
 
<xs:element name="member-mute">
          <xs:simpleType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
              <xs:enumeration value="muted"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="not-muted"/>
            </xs:restriction>
          </xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>
 
resource-control Element
 
   The <resource-control> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01.  A resource can refer to
   any media resource e.g. conference.  This element determines if a
   conference participant is in control of the resource by providing a
   boolean true/false value.  This element has two attributes:
 
   resource-type: Names the resource under control.
 
   resource-uri: Provides an associated URI for the resource under
   control (e.g. File transfer server).
 
<xs:element name="resource-control">
          <xs:complexType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:boolean">
              <xs:enumeration value="true"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="false"/>
            </xs:restriction>
            <xs:attribute name="resource-type" type="xs:string" use="required"/>
             <xs:attribute name="resource-uri" type="xs:anyURI" use="optional"/>
           </xs:complexType>
</xs:element>
 
I would appreciate comments from the list/authors to determine if any of this functionality is deemed necessary for the base conference event package.  If any one would like to see the full document which includes functionality that was left on the cutting room floor, then let me know.
 
Best Regards,
 
Chris.

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From: "Eunsook Kim" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:04:41 +0900

I agree that "trying" status might be useful. Actually,
I add the status for my implementation on a CPCP and SIP conference system,
because it adds clarity for a conference behavior.  

Also, I think "media-stream-type" in draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package
might be used for the type of "resource-type" in "resource-control" element, instead of "xs:string"
It may specify which media resource is controlled, as it uses the same datatype describing 
"media-streams" of "user-type" (in draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package).

Eunah

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <petri.koskelainen@nokia.com>
To: <cboulton@ubiquity.net>; <xcon@ietf.org>
Cc: <alan.johnston@mci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:47 AM
Subject: RE: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas




This is confusing.  In floor control we already have "chair" role 
and I don't think it is a good idea to have overlapping terminology.

Hand-raised element also sounds like floor-control claim so I propose 
that something else is used, such as silent/muted/inactive vs. active.
Otherwise we are reinventing floor control.

One new extension which might be useful is "trying to join" (or "trying") 
in status element. This is also needed in CPCP when user is in ACL pending list
and moderator is informed (via event package) that user is trying to join
and moderator needs to do something.

Petri


-----Original Message-----
From: xcon-admin@ietf.org [mailto:xcon-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext Chris Boulton
Sent: 20 October, 2003 12:47
To: xcon@ietf.org
Cc: Alan Johnston
Subject: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas


All,
            I understand that the conference event package is currently being revised for another version and have a couple suggestions that the authors/list might want to consider for inclusion.  I initially included these in a proposal for a new ID but have been advised (thanks Alan ;-) that they might be better suited in the base conference package.  The information below all extend the 'user' element form 'draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package' with the exception of '<conference-locked>' which extends the '<conference-info>' element.
 
conf-role Element
 
 
   The <conference-role> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and provides an explicit
   role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar.
   The <conference-role> element can hold one of the following values:
 
   chairman: The chair of the specified conference.
 
   member: A general member of the specified conference.
 
   secretary: The secretary of the conference.
 
   observer: An observer of the conference.
 
<xs:element name="conf-role">
          <xs:simpleType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
              <xs:enumeration value="chairman"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="member"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="secretary"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="observer"/>
            </xs:restriction>
          </xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>
 
conference-locked Element
 
   The <conference-locked> element is used to convey to participants
   that the conference represented by this document is currently locked
   and can not receive any more participants. The <conference-locked>
   element is not mandatory and holds a boolean value.
 
<xs:element name="conference-locked" type="xs:boolean" default="false" minOccurs="0"
           maxOccurs="1"/>
 
hand-raised Element
 
   The <hand-raised> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and indicates that a user
   who is currently muted wishes to become active.  This element holds a
   boolean value.
 
<xs:element name="hand-raised" type="xs:boolean" default="false"
              minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1"/>
 
member-mute Element
 
   The <member-mute> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and conveys to a conference
   that a particular member is currently muted. It can either hold the
   token value 'muted' or 'not-muted'.
 
<xs:element name="member-mute">
          <xs:simpleType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
              <xs:enumeration value="muted"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="not-muted"/>
            </xs:restriction>
          </xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>
 
resource-control Element
 
   The <resource-control> element extends the <user> element from
   draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01.  A resource can refer to
   any media resource e.g. conference.  This element determines if a
   conference participant is in control of the resource by providing a
   boolean true/false value.  This element has two attributes:
 
   resource-type: Names the resource under control.
 
   resource-uri: Provides an associated URI for the resource under
   control (e.g. File transfer server).
 
<xs:element name="resource-control">
          <xs:complexType>
            <xs:restriction base="xs:boolean">
              <xs:enumeration value="true"/>
              <xs:enumeration value="false"/>
            </xs:restriction>
            <xs:attribute name="resource-type" type="xs:string" use="required"/>
             <xs:attribute name="resource-uri" type="xs:anyURI" use="optional"/>
           </xs:complexType>
</xs:element>
 
I would appreciate comments from the list/authors to determine if any of this functionality is deemed necessary for the base conference event package.  If any one would like to see the full document which includes functionality that was left on the cutting room floor, then let me know.
 
Best Regards,
 
Chris.
 
 
------------------------------------------------
Chris Boulton
Ubiquity Software
 
Tel : +44 (0) 1633765600
Fax : +44 (0) 1633765601 
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